Dungeons & Disciples

Speaker 2 (00:00)
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Dungeons and Disciples. This is episode 22 and I don't know if you guys can hear in the background. Let's take a moment of silence.

Speaker 1 (00:07)
Goodness.

Speaker 2 (00:13)
Do hear that?

It's raining where we are, and yes, we are in a recording room of sorts, but it's lightly treated.

Speaker 1 (00:19)
So what if they said, what if we just did awkward silence and they said, no, I can't hear that. Then it's just a random period of awkward silence.

Speaker 2 (00:28)
I'll

boost the rain in the background. There's thunder happening too, so like there's an actual storm happening ⁓ at this building where we're recording. ⁓ But it'll be alright. If we lose power, we lose power. We have a backup recording solution. So we're great. It is glad to be back. Or I should say, I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 1 (00:46)
I'm very excited. I feel like it's been a long time since we've just been in the same room recording together.

Speaker 2 (00:51)
Yeah, it's been a little too long. Yeah, we get into our busy seasons and then another busy season just happens to follow right behind it. And then sometimes the passion projects get thrown to the wayside. But here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:04)
It

happens though. But you know what? We have learned very, very valuable things throughout these seasons of busyness. Very valuable things. For those that are listening, ⁓

Speaker 2 (01:10)
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:13)
have to say it Tony. Of the most love. We we tried our hand at a particular particular recording venue. Names. We're not gonna name names by any source of means but I'm sure most of us had caught some of them

Speaker 2 (01:21)
We're not gonna name.

the weird edits. Yeah, ⁓ little odd.

Speaker 1 (01:28)
Some weird edits from our last episode. Honestly

though, props to you guys because you didn't grow discouraged.

Speaker 2 (01:35)
No one emailed us angry.

Speaker 1 (01:37)
That's good. No one emailed us angry about theology, D &D, or sound audio quality. That's a huge praise. ⁓ Some people probably said sarcastically in their mind like, wow, what's happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:44)
Amen.

Yeah, I know the audio wasn't as good as what we normally do, you know, put out there in the nether. Yeah, so long story short, he's, Josh was referring to, if you didn't even hear a change in last episode, which kudos to you, ⁓ I have a really hard time because I'm a bougie boy for those who have not heard that phrase. He's a very, very bougie individual.

Speaker 1 (01:58)
But we had to try.

I'm

Speaker 2 (02:14)
Andy's bald. I'm bald now too. I just decided to shave my head. It's a blast and it feels so good. Okay, real quick side note. I was flying a drone. was flying a drone at my parents house about a month ago now ⁓ and I noticed a thinner than normal spot on my head in the back and I was like I need to take charge of my life again. That's my hair was more than thinning, okay? ⁓

Speaker 1 (02:35)
Shaved yes my hair

Bald, bald, bald!

Speaker 2 (02:44)
Yeah, so I shaved my head. It's fantastic. I was balding thin thinning. OK, I have luscious thick hair when it grows. least that's what I try to tell myself.

Speaker 1 (02:54)
I met Tony, I met

Tony was he had a man bun, very beautiful Viking cut.

Speaker 2 (03:00)
Party pony That's what my friend Jess called it

Speaker 1 (03:05)
I tell if I almost just gagged in my mouth or if I just choked on my own laughter. That's an Instagram real quote right there.

Speaker 2 (03:10)
That's both, actually.

Mmm. Yeah, it was a it was a party pony as my friend Jess described it, but Josh is correct It was a man bun. I didn't really but like put it up into a bun type thing But I had like a Viking it was so beautiful Yeah, shaved sides and hair was all luscious

Speaker 1 (03:29)
Every

year I've known you, you've decreased in the amount of hair. Correct. If you shave your beard, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:34)
Beard does not go anywhere. I will lose my left leg before I lose my beard Well, you you would look like a child

Speaker 1 (03:37)
So.

Why my wife has told me such things?

Okay,

dude, this is like the third time you flamed me before we even got into the episode. I didn't flame! He flamed me before we even I don't even know what flame is. Neither do I. Youbs, please email us. I don't know what that...

Speaker 2 (03:51)
Ming-e!

That

is. So I did not flame Josh. just, you do have a bit of a baby face if you were to shave your beard.

Speaker 1 (04:02)
This is true. I looked at my military ID a couple days ago and I like...

Speaker 2 (04:06)
Senior ID. ⁓

Speaker 1 (04:08)
It's equivalent to the light that Moses looked at ⁓ that was blinding to him. ⁓ Except if someone were to look at my baldness from my head and from my lack of head and beard, they would probably ⁓ be scarred for life.

Speaker 2 (04:23)
Yeah, I don't I will not you put all things I Appreciate that I was born cesarean, so I don't have any Weird-shaped heads. I don't know. Yes. I was I was a c-section baby. It's you know, it's a normal thing. I I don't have any I think had deformities if that makes sense. Anyway, we're going with this

Speaker 1 (04:26)
Well, well, thank you you really do

we say that? We just did.

We're trying to introduce D &D content and Jesus. That's what we're trying

Speaker 2 (04:53)
I

think we're doing so by plucky intros and quirky responses

Speaker 1 (04:57)
This is what I will say, folks, and it's gonna really correlate into the episode once you hear it today, but I have officially decided to make Tony and you, the listeners, Dungeons and Disciples, promise. We will keep our episodes less than an hour and a half. Insert applause or ⁓ tacky ⁓ clapping or joyful noises here.

Speaker 2 (05:22)
I'll have to throw in a praise track or something.

get some gospel praise anyway no what he's saying is we were just kind of like talking and all things good ⁓ yeah I think we're gonna figure out we're still figuring out the format this is season 2 but we're still figuring out some format stuff where you're sure I yes I love what we have been doing I love what we're planning to do I love it all just because this is a fun time so it is great ⁓

Speaker 1 (05:40)
and we're doing great.

Such good things are going to be happening soon.

Speaker 2 (05:53)
But yeah, so we're playing around with idea of shortening some of the episodes. You know, I love our seven hour content, but it is, I'm kidding, we've never had seven hour content.

Speaker 1 (06:02)
Listen, listen, it could get that way, but for you guys listening, I love you guys. Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:08)
You're loved, you're appreciated.

Speaker 1 (06:09)
Why do I want to say rock on man?

Speaker 2 (06:11)
We're also ⁓ grateful to our friends that we've been chatting with. Shout out again to Lorhaven Hearth. Go check out their show. Anywhere you can get podcasts. They're just a fun group of people. Seth and Selena and Morgan, keep doing what you're doing. We love you guys. I love our daily chats and all the stuff. It's a blast.

Speaker 1 (06:30)
We really do.

I have never had a person reach out to me about lore and then be able to sit on my couch and write lore that I've just randomly thought of, like on the spot, and exchange such nerdy things with somebody. And it just makes my heart happy all the time. Which eventually we will do a very special project with them and we're gonna do our, I don't know, like, what do you call them?

Speaker 2 (07:02)
crossover. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:04)
I don't know what they're called, but at some point you're gonna hear them on here, and it's gonna be really really cool. I'm so excited. Let's jump into our monk content today. I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (07:10)
It'll be awesome.

I'm excited too to speak about monks because I have a I have a very special place in my heart for a monk. I really, really miss playing my character, Zook, in our last campaign. He was a yeah. So by the end of our campaign, which I where I started as a wizard, I ended up as a level five wizard and a level seven monk. It was that's.

Speaker 1 (07:21)
does.

Wow.

Honestly, that's some beef though.

Speaker 2 (07:41)
It was the most bizarre combination I probably could have done in D &D. I'm sure there are more crazy ones out there. ⁓ Please let us know in. ⁓ Please email us or send us a DM or something on Instagram. I'm very curious what are some of your strangest builds that you've done? What are some of the weirdest monk builds that you've done?

Speaker 1 (08:01)
How about this, if you guys do that, will start out our next episode by reading those things. Yes. And then discussing them. I'd love- So fun! But- We're doing it. It's done. For real. For Telestype.

Speaker 2 (08:07)
to hear that stuff. ⁓

It was very crazy. ⁓ Switching from wizard to monk, I kind of more shifted monk in the later half because his personality developed over time where he was going through all these like tragic things and loss after loss and then ⁓ was getting tired of the world and needed some grounding. halfway through our battle, like halfway through our journey, we kind of ⁓ at a caravan stop that we stopped at. Yes, it was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (08:37)
All time favorite scene.

Speaker 2 (08:40)
my character met someone who was in a certain monk order, and so Zook started to follow kind of that path of just, you meditation and ⁓ centering oneself to kind of not stifle down the problems, but in a way that was a therapy for him, and found solace and peace in the fighting and the training and all of those things. And ⁓ so, kind of didn't really give up wizardry, but ⁓ started learning all the different things to focus more on

Meditation and centering and all of those things which feels very weird for me to say as a Christian, but it's That's the joy of role-playing. I was able to find my character was able to find peace ⁓ in in the work he was doing in the in the fighting that they were accomplishing in the I guess in the journey and in the friends he had which is super cool and you know, we as Christians we find our peace in Jesus so Come on

So, but yeah, like we were saying, Monk is a fantastic, ⁓ fantastic character class to be. And Monk's also a great show, by the way, Tony Shalhoub out there. Woo!

Speaker 1 (09:47)
I don't remember seeing it.

Speaker 2 (09:49)
Great show. Anyway, back to D &D. Let's do it. Yeah, how do you want to kind of kick this one off?

Speaker 1 (09:56)
I think I'm just going start by... here, let's do this. I'm going to read the description here. ⁓

This power infuses all that a monk does. Monks focus their internal power to create extraordinary, even supernatural effects. They channel uncanny speed and strength into their attacks, with or without the use of weapons. In a monk's hands, even the most basic weapons can become sophisticated implements of combat mastery. Many monks find that a structured life of aesthetic withdrawal helps them cultivate the physical and mental focus they need to harness their power.

Other monks believe that immersing themselves in the vibrant confusion of life helps to fuel their determination and discipline. Monks generally view adventures as tests of their physical and mental development. They are driven by a desire to accomplish a greater mission than merely slaying monsters and plundering treasure. They strive to turn themselves into living weapons.

Speaker 2 (11:10)
It's cool hearing you read that as the thunder is roaring.

Speaker 1 (11:12)
Kinda

cool. I'm so glad you told me to the headphones off. Tony's just testing me. Not a bad way. Testing good way.

Speaker 2 (11:16)
Yeah, it's a bl-

We're ourselves

Speaker 1 (11:22)
I don't know why we uh... Where'd you put my coffee?

Speaker 2 (11:24)
It's a good.

I don't. ⁓ Coffee and syrup and love.

Speaker 1 (11:32)
That's Anyway!

So, as we continue on, like we've been doing for the past couple episodes, and just for reference, folks, we are about halfway through our character class. Which is really kind of cool. That is just a huge praise from the Lord that we are getting through these classes, and we hope you guys have enjoyed the content so far.

Speaker 2 (11:43)
my gosh,

Thank for bearing with us with them. Sometimes we know that like consecutive things can sometimes be a bit daunting if you're searching for a different type of content. Yes. So thank you for putting up with all of these character classes, which I mean, I enjoy the character classes and reading about them and learning about them because what this does is it opens my eyes to like how to play my characters bigger, better, more creative than before. ⁓ So, yeah. So thanks for bearing with us as we're.

listening and learning and doing all these things with the different character classes.

Speaker 1 (12:22)
Yes, we hope it's been just as eye-opening to you as it has been to us.

Speaker 2 (12:27)
So monk level one.

Speaker 1 (12:28)
Monk level one. Now starting off at level one, you gain lots of things when you ⁓ begin to create your character classes. If you open up the book, you can see the various monk features per levels, which we would encourage you guys to go and check out. A lot of really cool things, even just going past level five. But for the sake of time and for the sake of our episode, especially because we're trying to keep it less. Thank you, Tony. We are going to skip over those things and just continue through level five.

Speaker 2 (12:48)
you

Speaker 1 (12:54)
Love of One will be martial arts. Your practice of martial arts gives you mastery of combat styles that use your unarmed strike and monk weapons, are the following. Simple melee weapons and martial melee weapons that have the light property. What's that? Light property?

Speaker 2 (13:08)
The light property? Well,

there's different types of weapons. There's finesse weapons, there's light weapons, there's heavy weapons. So the light property is just a characteristic of the actual ⁓ weapon itself. It's classified as a weapon property. So a dagger or a short sword would be considered a light weapon, for example.

Speaker 1 (13:20)
Ooh.

Very good

quick response, Tony. Thank you. Mr. Mung.

Speaker 2 (13:29)
just happens to have his laptop in front of him.

Speaker 1 (13:32)
You gain the following benefits while you are unarmed or wielding only monk weapons and you aren't wearing armor or wielding a shield. That is very very huge. Notice what we just said there. You gain these said benefits while ⁓ you are unarmed or wielding only monk weapons and you aren't wearing armor or wielding a shield. Very key things to keep in mind especially as you play with the character.

Speaker 2 (13:39)
That is huge.

Speaker 1 (13:59)
If all those criteria are met, you get a bonus unarmed strike, which means you can make an unarmed strike as a bonus action. Pretty sick. Martial Arts die, you can roll 1d6 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike or monk weapons. This die changes as you gain monk levels and as shown in the martial arts column of the features table. And dexterous attacks. You can use your dexterity modifier instead of your strength modifier for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons.

In addition, you use the grapple or shove option of your unarmed strike, you can use your dexterity modifier instead of your strength modifier to determine the save DC. Which gives you a really key thing ⁓ as you begin to build your monk. Which, speaking of which, ⁓ I didn't go over this and I should have. When you build your monk, if you build a monk, your primary abilities should also be focused on dexterity and wisdom.

Speaker 2 (14:52)
Very wise.

Speaker 1 (14:54)
Very very

very wise key thing to know I do apologize for not mentioning that as mostly done mostly dexterous Alrighty and also level one just know you gain unarmored defense So it says while you aren't wearing armor or wielding a shield your base armor class equals ten plus your dexterity and wisdom modifiers Yep again building the character off of dexterity and wisdom because it's not a plus ten plus your dexterity or wisdom its dexterity

Speaker 2 (14:58)
Cheers.

and

Speaker 1 (15:21)
And wisdom. You can create a real beefy boy if you roll good.

Speaker 2 (15:25)
It's fantastic and I would be curious to rebuild Zirk with the 2025 rules because I don't know if it was Dex and Wisdom previously. That's something I'll have to look into but Dex and Wisdom is a very cool thing.

Speaker 1 (15:33)
I'm not sure either.

That is cool. Tony, why don't you jump into level two?

Speaker 2 (15:41)
Yeah, so level two monk focuses. Your focus and martial training allow you to harness a well of extraordinary energy within yourself. This energy is represented by focus points. Your monk level determines the number of points you have as shown in the focus points column on the monk's feature table, which you guys can find in the book as well. You can expend these points to enhance or fuel certain monk features. You start knowing three such features for flurry of blows, patient defense, and step of the wind, each of which is detailed below.

Yet when you expend a Focus Point, is unavailable until you finish a short or long rest, at the end of which you regain all of your expended points. Some features that use Focus Points require your target to make a saving throw. The save DC equals 8 plus your Wisdom modifier and Proficiency bonus.

Speaker 1 (16:24)
Before we jump into those specific focus points, let me ask this Mr. Monk player. Yeah, when you so how many focus points are you actually so you get three how many focus points you have?

Speaker 2 (16:35)
⁓ It depends on what level you have so

Speaker 1 (16:37)
Let's

say we're starting out, well for this one it's level 2, you get a level 2 focus, like you level 2 monk focus comes in. How many points are you starting out with once you hit level 2? So Tony, before you continue, I do want to make note of something. So in the previous edition rules, the previous IV edition rules, if you've played a monk before, you're probably like, what are focus points? They are now known as focus points, previously referred to as key points.

Speaker 2 (17:03)
Yes, I'm at that too and I'm like, this is very interesting because I used to say key points and now my brain is having to wrap itself around focus points. But it's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (17:14)
Yes,

that is a good thing, but it's important to note because if you don't understand kind of the simple and subtle nuances, you may get confused.

Speaker 2 (17:23)
So when we're saying focus points, think of a key point from the previous edition.

Speaker 1 (17:26)
Now, I did have this question as well. So it talks about, and we're going to talk about them here in just a moment, but you have three features. Is it that you get to pick one feature of the three or you have the ability to use all three features?

Speaker 2 (17:42)
You have the ability to use all three features at different points. So you could do flurry of blows, patient defense, or step of the wind. And so we'll talk about those real quick. Flurry of blows, you can expend one focus point, or formerly known as key point, to make two unarmed strikes as a bonus action, which I love to do frequently.

Speaker 1 (17:51)
OK.

was a very, very big thing for you when you played your Monk character.

Speaker 2 (18:05)
I loved it. was able to get in there close real quick and then I can, you know, misty step away.

Speaker 1 (18:11)
I think you did Fury of Lohs more than honestly anything that I ever saw.

Speaker 2 (18:16)
I think so too because ⁓ I use my scimitar occasionally when I decided to have a weapon. ⁓

Speaker 1 (18:23)
decided

to actually roll a high enough number to actually hit.

Didn't mean to flame you. Woof.

Speaker 2 (18:28)
And then you also have patient defense, which you can take the disengage action as a bonus action. Alternatively, you can spend one focus point to take both the disengage and the dodge actions as a bonus action, which is really, really cool. Lastly is step of the wind. You can take the dash action as a bonus action. Alternatively, you can spend a focus point to take both the disengage and dash actions as a bonus action. And your jump distance is doubled for the turn.

Really sweet fantastic sweet. It's really really cool. So virtually if you're a character that can naturally go 40 feet of movement as a monk you can double that with certain feats you can evil even double that so I was reading somewhere I was listening to somewhere to where someone had like 260 or 280 feet of movement what are you able to do for?

Speaker 1 (18:57)
I love that

Speaker 2 (19:23)
When you trying to get away, you can run and dash and do all them things.

Speaker 1 (19:27)
Okay, okay, maybe knowledge for you. what point... So, is there a minimum traveling distance that is then considered of like officially disengaged? Or of like, maybe that's not the right word. To have, yeah, that's it, to have fled.

Speaker 2 (19:40)
To have fled from the battle?

That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (19:44)
Because like, okay, so let's take that scenario though, sidebar. If you run, like if you have 240 feet of movement, and you say, I'm taking all 240 feet, at what point are you considered to have fled the battle?

Speaker 2 (19:56)
That is a very, very good question. Obviously fleeing from combat involves things like disengage and dash. But to facilitate like a retreat, ⁓ you need to pretty much outrun your people, I believe. Like outrun the enemy. Right.

Speaker 1 (20:13)
But

if you got 240 feet of movement and you use it they ain't catching you

Speaker 2 (20:17)
That's right. Well, for those specific types of characters, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:21)
So there's no set number. It's a matter of how you...

Speaker 2 (20:24)
⁓

How do you flee during combat? The party needs three to six successes. Whoa. First thing is to see who's fast. I'm looking in the Reddit, folks. There's some fun stuff in here. These are just people's comments to where they're saying the first round or so of running. Yeah, the first thing is to see who's faster. If one party has a faster movement speed than the other or a different type of movement like flying, then it should be pretty easy to determine who's getting away.

Again, this is a comment from a poster. The first round or so of running while they're still in weapons range can be dangerous to run from, but that's what dash and disengage are good for. So if your whole party is pretty much disengaging and you're all trying to just book it, it would make sense to kind of like disengage and dash.

Speaker 1 (21:03)
Yeah.

to

be almost full party initiated.

Speaker 2 (21:11)
You pretty much have to decide that as a group. because it goes on to say once the faster party is clear of the fight, however, don't drag it out. they've matched for if they're matched for speed, ask your players what they're going to do to stop pursuit and think about what the enemy wants out of the fight or considers a win. Sometimes just ceasing to fight may be enough in the case of something like the owl bear. It mostly wants to be left alone. If the party stops shooting and hitting it and runs away, it'll probably only chase them for around maybe two, then turn back a more dedicated foe.

Speaker 1 (21:25)
interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:39)
or the party hunting down a fleeing monster may be bit more persistent. Just running in a straight line isn't likely to be enough. Do they want to try and hide? Are they going to throw obstacles in the path? Are they going to split up so that it has to decide who to chase? Consider what environment they're in. If it's a forest, there's going to be lots of places where a smart adventurer can climb up a tree, jump in a hole, or cover themselves with leaves to hide. In that case, a stealth check or possibly climb versus the pursuer's perception would be appropriate.

Speaker 1 (22:06)
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:07)
So that's a very interesting

portion of a longer comment from C1AWED. It looks like the word Claude, but thank you for that from seven years ago. ⁓ that's fascinating information. And I think here's another example of it. Like for those who have seen Critical Role's ⁓ Vox Machina on Amazon. Yeah, if you've seen Vox Machina on Amazon Prime, you'll remember that Thordak, the

Speaker 1 (22:18)
⁓ goodness

Amazon Prime,

Speaker 2 (22:36)
Bbeg for that mmm portion of the show. He was first a portion of the time Thor Dak was in his lair and The adventurers were trying to go either retrieve something or do something there in his lair ⁓ Obviously It's difficult to outrun a flying dragon. Yes, but because Thor Dak was doing something that grounded him there He was either trying to guard something or someone

I'm just not gonna say too much because for those who haven't seen it you and you're comfortable with a little bit of language Watch the show. It's pretty great So a toward act was specifically in one area and chose not to flee ⁓ He could have pursued but obviously didn't and it's hard to outrun a dragon like I said, so Decide what you want to do and if after a certain point they can get away then I would consider that you know Up to the DM's discretion. Yeah

Speaker 1 (23:29)
Interesting sidebar though. Let us know in our discords. Let us know by email. us know in our socials. Kind of like what you guys think about that. little side topic. That'd be fun conversation to have as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:39)
⁓ To continue on with level two we have unarmored movement So you are in your speed increases by 10 feet while you aren't wearing armor or wearing a shield this bonus Increases when you reach certain monk levels as shown on the table feature table as well Which that was a blast so my verdict was able to outrun any of our party because I had ⁓ Unarmored movement and then as my character grew in level I was able to outrun them even further ⁓

And lastly for level two is uncanny metabolism. When you roll initiative, you can regain all expended focus points. That's cool. When you do so, roll your martial arts die and regain a number of hit points equal to your monk level plus the number rolled. Once you use this feature, you can't use it again until you finish a long rest. That is fantastic. I don't know that that was a thing. I don't think that was a thing back in the 2014 Well, that's... This is...

Speaker 1 (24:27)
I'm telling you, monks, they did

some great things with monks.

Speaker 2 (24:32)
There are some really cool buffs with the new stuff, folks. This is fascinating to me. is. Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:39)
I'm gonna move on to level three as well. Wow.

He got me!

Moving on to level 3 with Deflect Attacks. When an attack roll hits you and its damage includes bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing damage, you can take a reaction to reduce the attack's total damage against you. The reduction equals 1d10 plus your Dexterity modifier and monk level. If you reduce the damage to zero, you can expend one focus point to redirect some of the attack's force. Pretty neat. If you do so, choose a character you can see within 5 feet of yourself.

If the attack was a melee attack or a creature you can see within 60 feet of yourself that isn't behind total cover. If the attack was a ranged attack. That creature must succeed on a dexterity saving throw or take damage equal to two rolls of your martial arts die plus your dexterity modifier. The damage is the same type dealt by the attack. And then level three, that subclass is coming here, which we will touch about these subclasses here in just a moment.

And then we get into level four, these are just pretty quick. Level four we get that standard ability score improvement, which again, you really want to focus more on your dexterity and wisdom modifiers unless you kind of feel like there are some modifiers that are just not where they're up to par to be. Most people that'd be constitution or intelligence, I feel like. I will always put the lowest in intelligence. I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:54)
Great. Continue.

Speaker 1 (25:55)
I have wanted to ⁓ roll a character and roll absolute ones on all four D1s and just say... What's your intelligence?

Speaker 2 (26:06)
Ha ha

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:10)
Alright, level 4, you also gain Slow Fall, which says you can take a reaction when you fall to reduce any damage you take from the fall by an amount equal to 5 times your monk level. Please note, if you fall beyond a certain feet, I understand that Slow Fall will help reduce damage, but there is a point to where you will die. You cannot jump off a ledge 500 feet and not expect to die.

Speaker 2 (26:29)
Yeah.

Let's

have a blue pill.

Speaker 1 (26:37)
Unless

you... That's... Love you, Steven! But yes, you will die. I'm destroying that out there before someone builds a monk and they say, I jump 500 feet and then I use slow fall.

Speaker 2 (26:39)
Campaign reference, sorry.

Slow fall is not the same as feather fall. Remember that.

Speaker 1 (26:52)
Is that an actual thing?

Speaker 2 (26:53)
Feather falls a spell.

Speaker 1 (26:54)
I'm learning so much this episode. We're gonna do it. We'll go with that. And then level fives here. You gain an extra attack, which you all pretty much know what that extra attack is. And then stunning strike, which says once per turn when you hit a creature with a monk weapon or an unarmed strike, can, I'm sorry, unarmed strike, you can expend one focus point to attempt a stunning strike. The target must make a constitution saving throw. On a failed save, the target has the stunned condition until the start of your next turn.

On a successful save, the target speed is halved until the start of your next turn, and the next attack roll made against the target before then has advantage. And I'm gonna do a quick shameless plug. Our friend Steven Kacher also has a page called Questgivers Guide, who goes over these stunned versus paralyzed conditions.

Speaker 2 (27:34)
Yes he does. Check him out on YouTube and Instagram. Good. Quest givers guy.

Speaker 1 (27:36)
You have to very,

He's doing incredible work. Let's put that in the show today. ⁓

Speaker 2 (27:42)
To hit Featherfall again real quick, ⁓ Slowfall is different than Featherfall. So Slowfall, like you said, can take a reaction to reduce the damage, the fall damage, ⁓ equal to five times your monk level. Whereas Featherfall chews up to five falling creatures within range. A falling creature's rate of descent slows to 60 feet per round until the spell ends. If a creature lands before the spell ends, the creature takes no damage from the fall and the spell ends for that creature.

And that duration is a minute and then you can use it as a reaction. It is a first level spell from the transmutation school. And the area range is 60 feet. So anyone within that 60 feet. Up to five people. Yeah, so if your party decides to jump off a cliff, you can cast Feather Fall. So if your party decides to jump off a cliff, will you jump off a cliff too if you're... No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (28:20)
9.

Yes,

because I have featherfall.

Speaker 2 (28:31)
Yeah, mom, I'm gonna jump off a cliff with my friends. Well, only four other friends, because we need friends of up to five people, so...

Speaker 1 (28:38)
Alright, let's quickly touch base on these level 3 subclasses. Level 3 subclasses. The first one will be Warrior of Mercy, which says, ⁓

They often wear masks, presenting themselves as faceless bringers of life and death. Level 3, have a ⁓ feat called Hand of Harm. Once per turn, when you hit a creature with an unarmed strike and deal damage, you can expend one focus point to deal extra necrotic damage, equal to one roll of your martial arts die plus your wisdom modifier, and you also gain Hand of Healing. And as a magic action, you can expend one focus point to touch a creature and restore the number of hit points

Equal to a role of your martial arts die plus your wisdom modifier When you use your fury of blows you can replace one of the unarmed strikes with the use of this feature without expending a focus point for the healing Very valuable. You also gain implements of mercy Which means you gain proficiency in the insight and medicine skills and proficiency with the herbalism kit There are a little bit more levels above that but really it's just kind of you hit level three Gain all those features and you really don't get anything to level six. So we will move on past that

Tony, what's next?

Speaker 2 (29:47)
After we have Warrior of Mercy, we have Warrior of Shadows, which is the type that Zuk was, my character. I played Way of the Shadow. Once I finally hit that sixth level, I was able to start really having some fun with I mean, you can have some fun early on, but it was cool to shadow step later on when I hit level six as a monk. ⁓ So, Warriors of Shadow practice stealth and subterfuge, harnessing the power of the Shadowfell. They're at home in the darkness, able to draw

gloom around themselves to hide, leap from shadow to shadow, and take on a wraith-like form. Level 3, Shadow Arts, you have learned to draw on the power of the Shadow Felt, gaining the following benefits. Darkness, you can expend one focus point to cast the Darkness spell without spell components. You can see within the spell's area when you cast it with this feature. While the spell persists, you can move its area of darkness to a space within 60 feet of yourself at the start of each of your turns. Also fun.

You also gain Darkvision. You gain Darkvision with a range of 60 feet. If you already have Darkvision, its range increases by 60 feet. Awesome. Shadowy Figments. You know the minor illusion spell. Wisdom is your spellcasting ability for

Speaker 1 (30:56)
Alright Tony, just spoil it. Talk about Shadow's step. You must.

Speaker 2 (30:59)
Hey, if I'm

So level six, when you hit that under War of Shadow, you get Shadow Step. While entirely within Dim Light or Darkness, you can use a bonus action to teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space. can see that it's also in Dim Light or Darkness. You then have advantage on the next melee attack you make before the end of the current turn. Six? Yes, it is. We've moved on farther than we've ever moved.

Speaker 1 (31:21)
next level.

⁓ how dare us.

Speaker 2 (31:27)
Go ahead and talk about worry over the elements.

Speaker 1 (31:29)
As Warrior

of the Elements tap into the power of the Elemental Planes, harnessing their supernatural focus, these monks momentarily tame the energy of the Elemental Chaos to empower themselves in and out of battle. At level 3, you gave an Elemental Attunement, which means at the start of your turn, you expend one focus point to imbue yourself with elemental energy. The energy lasts for 10 minutes or until you have the incapacitated condition. You gain the following benefits. Reach. When you make an unarmed strike,

Your reach is 10 feet greater than normal as elemental energy extends from you and you gain elemental strikes. Whenever you hit with your unarmed strike, you can cause damage to deal with your choice of acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder damage rather than its normal damage type. When you deal one of these types with it, you can also force the target to make a strength saving throw. On a failed save, you can move the target up to 10 feet toward or away from you as elemental energy swirls in it.

Finally you gain manipulate elements. You know the elementalism spell Wisdom is your spell casting ability for it and that and that spell is just essentially ⁓ you gain It says you exert control over the elements creating one of the following effects within range Beckon air Beckon earth Beckon fire Beckon water or sculpt element if you want to a little bit learn a little bit more about that particular spell if you want to build that subclass just check it out in the spells section in your handbook to kind of get

little bit better idea with that. And then finally Tony, one last one.

Speaker 2 (32:55)
Warrior of the Hand. ⁓

Speaker 1 (32:57)
Eeyore!

Very valuable.

Speaker 2 (33:21)
Push. The target must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be pushed up to 15 feet away from you. Topple. The target must succeed on a Dex saving throw or have the prone condition.

Speaker 1 (33:32)
And you know the cool part is with this, not even do you just gain these with the monk features, but now they've incorporated in the 2024 rules, if you have a mastery of specific martial weapons, they have these abilities imbued only if you've mastered those weapons though. Yeah, super cool. Which is super cool.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is Monks.

Speaker 2 (33:51)
Thank you

That was too long of a pause.

Speaker 1 (33:55)
It kinda was. Are we gonna leave the pause? Okay. We'll leave the pause.

Speaker 2 (33:58)
I

LOL sorry, not sorry.

Speaker 1 (34:03)
I can only imagine people being like, wait.

Speaker 2 (34:04)
No, now time for the fun part. Although that was fun.

Speaker 1 (34:07)
I lot with that D &D content.

Speaker 2 (34:11)
Monks are fascinating specimens. I'm curious to play like an Eric O'Krum monk someday.

Speaker 1 (34:17)
would be

so fun. You just play Master Kree.

Speaker 2 (34:20)
Well, yes. Imagine doing shadow step at level six and then flying from shadow to shadow, of, from the shadows. That would be an interesting thing. Imagine being in a forest. You shadow step into the trees and then your character dive bombs someone, just spreads their wings and glides down.

Speaker 1 (34:23)
You're like, actually, ideally.

We need

We

need to do like a debate between that because there are some DMs that will allow Eric Cocker's to fly and there are some DMs are like absolutely not or they have limitations with it. Yeah, that'd be fun to talk about. Continuing on. So today's biblical content, I really consider this to just be short, sweet, powerful. And to be honest folks, when we were talking about this, I'm like, I don't know if I had to convince Tony about it, but I like...

Speaker 2 (34:52)
Anyway, let's continue.

Speaker 1 (35:09)
I really had to like, it kinda like impl- what's the word?

At first it didn't make sense with the character of monk versus the main scripture, but the more I thought about it, it wasn't even necessarily just about how much it correlated to monks, but it was just a powerful scripture we talked about, and then we can kind of correlate it to

Speaker 2 (35:26)
We can't.

Speaker 1 (35:27)
really can, right? Monks are disciplined. We can agree upon that. And see, they were so disciplined to an extreme to do a task that they were called to do. Right? That's the whole definition of monks. As Christians, Tony, would you agree that we are called to live a life of discipline? So, 100%. I mean, there's many, many a book written on

Speaker 2 (35:38)
Yeah.

would say. There's many books written on it.

Speaker 1 (35:52)
like certain spiritual disciplines, and we constantly talk about in the church about these spiritual disciplines, right? But, without this scripture, I believe spiritual disciplines mean nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:05)
What scripture is that, Josh?

Speaker 1 (36:06)
I'm glad you asked. That's the most cheesy thing ever. the scripture is John chapter 3 verse 30, simply says, must increase, but I must decrease. John the Baptist, saying that.

I really, when I'm thinking about it, I really believe that no matter what discipline we try to do, whether that be prayer or meditation or, I don't know, name another discipline off the top of your head. Fasting. All disciplines are incomplete without a deep understanding of that scripture.

Speaker 2 (36:35)
fantastic.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:45)
Right or wrong? Like, what do think?

Speaker 2 (36:46)
I

I think you're 100 % correct. Like, we gotta get out of the way in order for Christ to be the focus point. One would say the key point.

I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (36:59)
But I really, I just, you know, thinking about this episode, that's really what my mind drew to, and I'm gonna be 100 % honest. The reason my mind drew to it is because I've really been going through a season of humility. I've been going through a season of humility, and when I listened to my pastor preach on Sunday, he brought up the scripture. And it really just kind of hit me to a new level of where

Things in my life where I needed to decrease and he needed to increase. In full transparency, Tony and I talk about episodes all the time and even just going through the seasons that we go through, I finally asked and talk about Tony like, hey, you know, what do think we should do? What's going on? And as we candidly talked about, and we joked about a little bit before the episode started, but making these episodes a little bit shorter. You know, folks, I don't think we give Tony enough credit for what he does for this podcast. Like, yeah, we talk, but

all of the editing that goes behind the scenes you can have a let's say a two hour episode but what takes what you take to listen to two hours takes Tony triple the time to edit

Speaker 2 (37:56)
Sometimes, depending on how crazy we get.

Speaker 1 (37:59)
He's

trying to ⁓ push that out of the way, but really folks it does take a lot It does take a lot and a humbling factor for me was saying rather than trying to do X Y or Z I need to be have a lowly posture and He must increase and everything that and the things that I desire Must decrease now that is not to say like it's wrong to have

specific desires over things, but what we are saying, we are saying, is pursuing relationship above any desire that you have, because when you're unified in Christ, you begin to see that your desires are in congruence with pleasing the Father.

which is where we're going to talk about something very interesting that we have to kind of unpack before we really dive into a particular word. Well, we need to dive into these two particular comparisons before we dive into the concept of humility. And it's something we've not talked about before here on Dungeons and Disciples. And it's something that has to be talked about.

Speaker 2 (38:57)
Yes it does.

Speaker 1 (38:58)
And that is legalism in the church.

I know, I'm sorry. Everyone's, everyone's just... We don't get smacked in the face for this. Everyone just kind of like, oh no, here we go. Oh my gosh, this is be such a good episode. Really, we're not gonna harp that much about it. Right, but here's what you have to understand. define what legalism is.

Speaker 2 (39:03)
Magnetic.

Pride cloaked in obedience.

Speaker 1 (39:19)
So you said pride cloaked in obedience, right? That was a quote that I heard when researching legalism. when you hear the term legalism, when you hear pride cloaked in obedience, what are you thinking? Like in Tony's version.

Speaker 2 (39:32)
Tony's version, Tony's version, like Taylor's version, we all have our versions.

Speaker 1 (39:35)
Well, okay, maybe version is not the right word. In your mind, like, what do you see as legalism?

Speaker 2 (39:41)
⁓ legalism is less about...

See, don't know. Legalism, to me, is more about all the things we're not supposed to do or all the things that we're supposed to do to be better Christians, but from a mindset of...

This is a rule book as opposed to a relationship advice book. The Bible to me is not a rule book. It's not a set of guidelines that, you know, the pirate code is not just merely a set of guidelines.

Speaker 1 (40:11)
That was such a quote. you. Beautifully done, by the way.

Speaker 2 (40:12)
Thank

you. Barbosa says it's just a set of guidelines type thing. But the Bible is not just our guidelines. The Bible, if we're looking at it from a John 1 perspective, the Bible in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. So if the Bible is the living, breathing Word of Christ Himself and is Christ Himself,

I don't want to look at it from a standpoint of do's and don'ts. I want to look at it as like a love book, like as a ⁓ diary, a... I don't know, just like a letter to his bride saying this is how we can improve our relationship. Unless about, you know, you didn't take the trash out again for the third night in a row and here now you have to say three Hail Marys for it. Like, this isn't our...

Yeah, it's not a religion book, it's a relational book.

Speaker 1 (41:09)
mean, that was the Pharisees and the Sadducees, right? Correct. See, and the cool part is I've actually been... I'm actually halfway through the book of Leviticus now. you know, sometimes we get into this... we get into this mode where we hear people talk about Leviticus or they try to disprove the Word of God through the book of Leviticus, right? And that's just not the case at all. Exodus ends... the book of Exodus ends with the Israelites coming out of a time of disobedience and they're trying to re...

Speaker 2 (41:16)
Yeah

Speaker 1 (41:37)
You're trying to build the tabernacle at that time, and they eventually finally build it. And the book of Exodus ends, and it's very, very subtle when you read it, but Moses tries to enter the Holy of Holies, and he can't, because he's unholy. So the book of Leviticus, therefore, while it may, while to some in the traditional eye, is just, this is just a bunch of rules and jibber-jabber. No, it's a book of holiness. It's a book that says God is giving clear instruction how you guys are to walk.

So you can enter the Holy of Holies, which is why the beginning of Numbers, Numbers chapter 1 verse 1 says, when Moses entered the tabernacle. So yes, you can read it as a book of Levitical laws. In fact, the Pharisees and the Thessages did. They read it as such. They applied it as such. They took legalism to a whole different level. Because why? In their minds, they're saying we're being obedient to the Word of God.

but their pride was cloaked in obedience. And when you removed the cloak, when you got down to the heart of it, like Jesus did, and challenged them, they couldn't let go of their pride.

Speaker 2 (42:36)
Yeah, what's interesting about Moses, even not being allowed in the temple or the tabernacle at that point, in the Holy of Holies, Moses himself and his brother Aaron were Levites. So, being the priestly tribe for him to be denied entrance is an interesting thing to consider as well.

Speaker 1 (42:47)
Yes.

Because

of their disobedience. Yes. I often wonder if legalism gets so heavy because we're actually walking in disobedience.

Legalism is a very touchy subject because you have to be very very careful with how you do it because I feel like if You're not careful We can start to push people away and just call them legalists We can start to say ⁓ you're just a legalist get out of my face But Jesus also ate with sinners and tax collectors

Speaker 2 (43:14)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:22)
I I just, I really, I feel the spirit just driving this moment of.

now relationship, right? I did write on here something very interesting I heard about avoiding the legalist mindset, and I heard someone say, Jesus talks about the narrow way. The narrow way. He says, enter by the narrow way or enter by the narrow gate. It's hard to go that way, but it is the way he's trying to bring us. And this individual said the narrow way is not our discipline. The narrow way is the fact that Jesus died on the cross for us.

and the only way to the Father is through Him.

I feel like oftentimes, and I actually tried to write a sermon on this, and I'm so glad the Lord stopped me, I feel like we're trying to do all the right things to get into the narrow way, but the narrow way is not about the doing of the things. Like this quote says, it is about the being with and realizing who stepped outside the gate to give us the narrow gate. So we compare legalism to this, to what we should be walking in as relationship.

Speaker 2 (44:11)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:20)
Relationship is to point the believer outside of themselves and to fix your gaze on it.

When we fix our gaze, he shows us how we are to act. True obedience aligns with genuine relationship. And I love this. I heard this from another individual. He said, your direction is going to follow your affection.

I love that. I love all those quotes that I had recently gotten into when digging into relationship because especially when it comes to the narrow way and it comes to avoiding the legalistic mindset, relationship is about going outside of yourself and fixing your gaze on Him. Our wives, Tony. Right? True relationship is saying, I'm going to love and adore my wife in the covenant in which God has given me.

Speaker 2 (45:04)
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:05)
Right? That's covenantal relationship. That's covenantal marriage. We're the living sacrifices. We're supposed to be a living sacrifice to God, holy and pleasing to Him. In fact, that's why I love Leviticus so much. It talks about when they offered sacrifices that the burnt offerings were a sweet and pleasing aroma. And I wonder if relationship is truly about

taking joy in the fact that we are living sacrifice because even in our trials and tribulations, if our trials and tribulations are a refinement in a burning process, so much to the point that when we are refined and burned, that the burning away of our flesh is actually a pleasing aroma to...

that it's actually a true sign of genuine relationship, where we can say, God, I'm going to think outside of myself and I'm going to fix my eyes on you. What does Psalm 121 say? It says, will lift my eyes to the hills from whence comes my help. My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth fix our gaze. And the beautiful part about that and why we don't need to pursue legalistic nature.

because inherently if we fix our gaze on him he is going to direct us on how we should behave. Why? Because Galatians chapter 5, that war between the spirit and the flesh, right? That constant enmity, as the word refers, it's at enmity with each other. It's contrary, they are contrary to each other, but when you walk outside of the flesh and lean into the fruits of the spirit,

You're starting to fix your gaze on Jesus in relationship and He will show you how to be acting. You don't need legalism to do that. Legalism is not the key to true obedience. Relationship is the key to true obedience. Why? Because true obedience aligns with genuine relationship. Your direction is going to follow your affection.

Speaker 2 (46:45)
Yep.

us.

Yep.

Speaker 1 (47:04)
When you fix your eyes on him

He will guide your.

Tony, what do you think about all that? Sorry, I was preaching for a moment. was so powerful to me. All that just kind of dropped on me.

Speaker 2 (47:16)
I don't know if I have anything to add to When the preacher preaches, why have a second sermon?

Speaker 1 (47:18)
I'm sorry

I

love relationship. And this has honestly been the biggest reflection in my life is that you just, you... We talk about tribulation and we talk about the pains behind it, but just to be... I love the song... ⁓

I wanna burn for you Give me a fresh fresh fire Give me a fresh fresh fire Fresh fire I want what you desire I love that song That's probably all copyright, but hey whatever I love I love that song because it's We're asking for a fresh fire, but we're also asking to be

Speaker 2 (48:03)
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:09)
So it can be a pleasing aroma in relationship.

Speaker 2 (48:13)
What I find interesting about those songs is people don't actually know what they're singing half the time. That's true! That's true! Like, if you knew the refining process that you're singing about, man, give me a fresh fire. like, people are not prepared for the fire a lot of the times.

Speaker 1 (48:36)
Come on ⁓

Speaker 2 (48:39)
It's... No.

I was recently reminded about Albert's message from back in the fall about... Oh yeah, Pastor Albert from Motion. Love him. So on one of the first Thursdays he preached about dry places. If we're in a dry place, what burns faster? Dry stuff or wet stuff? I don't want to be... I don't want to be burned in the bad way.

Speaker 1 (49:02)
Come

on, preacher.

Speaker 2 (49:03)
I don't want to be scorned by people and then let my dry stuff catch fire. I don't want to be...flamed. I don't want to be flamed by a friend and then let my kindling, my dry grass that's withering away because I'm not saturated in the word. I don't want that to catch fire to where I'm losing my temper and I'm becoming a hothead. I don't want to lose that stuff because

I'd rather be saturated in the word. I'd rather have the beard like my beard covered in oil. I'd rather have all the refining fire is the one that I want to Lick up the water in the trench like the prophets of Baal when Elijah poured water on his giant altar and then he poured more water and then he poured more water and he and and God did a thing and sent down the fire and All the water was gone. ⁓ That's the type of fire. I want I don't want I don't want people burning

burning my leaves because I'm know ticked off at a friend or a neighbor or whatever the work situation is but like powerful that's different kind of fire people don't know what they're singing about that's all I have to say

Speaker 1 (50:04)
that's

But that's so good. I, may I, may I reveal a thought? Not even just the refiner's fire. But yes and no, but can I just reveal something I feel like the Holy Spirit is probably leading me to and maybe a potential small conversation about? Yes. What? So the Word of God says that when we die and go to heaven we will get new bodies. Yes. Correct? That's scriptural. What if we're trying to burn away the flesh now so we can allow the Holy Spirit in to show us what that new body will be?

Speaker 2 (50:14)
You'll have thought about.

Speaker 1 (50:37)
oooo

I don't know. listen, I'm just saying that. This is live, unfiltered. This is just my thoughts behind it, right? Now, I understand that the context of that is also saying like, hey, you know, where there is hurt and pain and suffering, we will get a new body. We're not going to be in this kind of pain and suffering. We will be made anew. But I also can't help but feel that as we go through the refiner's fire, that God is trying to show us

Just a newness. I'm not trying to say he's gonna like, we're not like these weird like unlocking like a video game, like he's just gonna give us the new body like time over time. That's not what saying. It's a, it's an undeveloped thought of mine that I just had as a symbol of saying like he is every day making us a new creation. Our goal should be to say this is the man I was looking at in the mirror and the more I pursue God, I don't recognize the former man. I only see the man.

Speaker 2 (51:06)
Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Speaker 1 (51:33)
the Father.

Speaker 2 (51:34)
Yes.

Speaker 1 (51:36)
That's the thought

on which I'm trying to drive upon. That's good. Because I want to see, when I look in the mirror, I want to see the

I don't want to see me. In fact, I heard someone say recently that... where we begin to close our episode in this regard.

He said regarding humility and regarding things that as he walked in Lord.

the closer I get to God.

I realize I'm nothing like

That's humbling. That's humility. Because we should boast in only Him. And I'm realizing in my life, true humility is this. That the closer I come to Him, that I say, man, I'm actually, I'm nothing, I'm trying to be like Him, but right now I'm just not. Lord, create in me a clean heart.

and revealed to me any of devious ways in me.

You know, and I don't say that statement as a discouragement. I say that as a statement of the closer I get to God, the more I realize like, wow, I'm ⁓

The closer I get to God, I realize how good He is and how less and how not the word is not insignificant. I almost said that it's not insignificant. The closer I get to God, I realize how good He is and how evilsome things are in me that I have to repent about. And that's the key to humility. Pride, we can talk about pride all day. Humility. Humility is this.

being at a low place rather than starting at the top and having the worst fall of your life. Satan had a bad fall because he wanted a higher position.

and he felt like lightning.

Speaker 2 (53:01)
I'll you he took falling damage.

Speaker 1 (53:03)
I... yeah. He rolled with disadvantage. But! But!

We don't want you to experience a fall.

Wouldn't you rather go through the hardest moments of humility like I had to do with Tony? Don't you wish you had don't you wish you'd rather just go through the hardest moments of humility? Rather than getting to the top and then falling off the ladder when I went through a very bad season My pastor said to me Josh. It's a lot easier to fall from a two-foot ladder than a 30-foot ladder It hurts, but the two-foot ladder is a lot less damage

So, I don't know where you're at right now.

But I have an encouraging scripture. If you don't mind me closing with a really encouraging scripture, Luke chapter 14 verse 7 says,

and Him comes and say to you, give place to this man. And then you begin with shame to take the lowest place. Watch this. But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place so that when He who invited you comes, He may say to you, friend, go up higher. Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you.

for whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

In other words, we must decrease so he can increase.

We already know our weapon of warfare is the word of God. Monks become living weapons. So shouldn't we use our weapon to become a sacrifice and follow our weapon that says, he must increase, but I must decrease.

Tony, any closing thoughts for today?

Speaker 2 (54:35)
I just went to church.

Speaker 1 (54:36)
simple and powerful.

Speaker 2 (54:38)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:38)
I loved it. loved today's episode. Probably one of my favorites. This was... I needed this. I really needed this.

Speaker 2 (54:45)
These are great topics. This

is a refreshing, refining.

Speaker 1 (54:51)
humbling and life-giving

Speaker 2 (54:52)
Yes.

I just hope people go and listen to those songs again and actually realize what you're singing.

Speaker 1 (55:00)
But folks, just, again, we just wanted to thank you for listening. you know, Tony and I do not take your ⁓ subscriptions lightly. We don't take your ⁓ presence lightly. We thank you. We're just a couple of dudes who just love D &D and we love the Word of God. And we are not beyond correction. We are not beyond humbling moments. Amen. And we just, thank you so much. So...

⁓ Tony will shout out our socials, but in those things guys, don't forget to just leave a comment on any platform that you have for us, whether that be YouTube or Apple Podcasts or whatever. Leave us a comment, rate our show, that way we can get this over to more people, and then follow our socials and send our socials, which, ⁓

Speaker 2 (55:42)
Instagram and Facebook at Dungeons and Disciples with the word and spelled out Dungeons and Disciples on Facebook and Instagram or you can email us at DungeonsDisciples at gmail.com folks DungeonsDisciples at gmail.com Discord? Discord is a thing. Yes. Which is beautiful. you for the conversation. Yes. Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (56:01)
We have a little small community.

Please join our Discord community, it is very small, but it is such a beautiful place where we can connect.

Speaker 2 (56:10)
It is humbling as one would say. Yes! But it's a lot of fun. So thank you folks for who are in the Discord already and we are going to be putting some exciting things in there especially as we get closer to Jen. my gosh it's less than two months away!

Speaker 1 (56:13)
as hum.

Guns and co-

We are so excited to go to Gen Con, not only just to spend time with our brothers in Christ, but also to just be able to record live and free, unedited at Gen Con and just get to know our community that's around us. we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if we're going to have some deep spiritual conversation. don't, we really don't know what's going to happen, but we will keep you updated on those things. But just know, at least my goal anyway, it might probably be Tony's too, is just hitting that live record button.

and seeing what comes out.

Speaker 2 (56:56)
unfiltered Josh and Tony for the first time. Wow. Wow. yeah, thanks you guys for listening. ⁓ It's been a blast. Again, check us out on socials, check us out on Discord, shoot us an email. One last reminder, if you have played some Monk classes, we'd love to hear what your characters were like. ⁓ So please share those with us so we can then feature them on the next episode.

One last shout out to Steven Cacher at Questgivers Guide on YouTube and Instagram for your quick DM tips and tricks. And one final shout out, of course, to Lorhaven Hearth. We love you guys. We're looking forward to working with you all in the future.

Speaker 1 (57:35)
Father, in the name of Jesus, thank you for this episode. Lord, we love you. Lord, we praise you for how your Holy Spirit moved in such a beautiful way, Lord God. We were able to preach. We were able to talk about Dungeons and Dragons, Lord God. And I just pray that we would take the lowest place, God. We would humble ourselves before you, Lord God. Not so that we would just ultimately desire to be exalted, Lord God. But so we would say, I take the lowest seat so I can exalt thee.

Lord God, I thank you for this teaching, for our listeners, and for all the beautiful things you are doing, God. I feel in my heart you're going to do a mighty work in this podcast, God, not just because of X, Y, and Z, or the content, or whatever, God, but just I feel Tony and I moving in a beautiful unity. I feel friends rising. I feel conversations stirring, and I feel your presence in this place, God.

Even though we depart from this podcast, let us never depart from your presence, God, but ever exalt thee. In Jesus' name we pray.

Speaker 2 (58:35)
Amen. Thanks guys.